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Which isn't to say I wouldn't pair Jason up w/a guy in a fic. I think just about every character can have a slashy story & pairing. But in canon he just gives off the vibe of someone that's focused on what he's doing & while he's attracted to others he mostly keeps his distance. The only person I could ever seriously slash him with is Roy because he's the only guy Jason ever let get close to him. Even then I think Joyfire works better to balance them out get them to even try it out.
Oh yeah I agree about him being more focused on his work and any kind of attraction is put on the back burner. I was just saying that the way I’ve interpreted it is that what little interest Jason does have is mostly directed at men. Because when I’ve read things, I’ve seen him outright flirting with men, and not so much with women.
As much as I absolutely loathe the pairing, I can’t deny the weird subtext between Bruce and Jason at times, particularly when Winick is writing. And there’s Egon, and I’ve gotten vibes when Jason is talking with Dick too.
For me I never saw Jason sexually attracted to men, in fact I see him more uncomfortable with men in general. It's all in character interpretation I guess. I'm aware of the things others have see but I just see Jason being snarky/mocking others by pressing their buttons. I have seen him attracted to women (Donna, Diana, Rena, his pre-crisis meeting with Kori, Isabel & a bit w/Essence.) I don't see him being aggressive with those he's interested in. He doesn't make the first move just to be safe.
See, but I always see him flirting with men over women. Preboot, anyway. Outlaws kind of suddenly shoved ‘Jason must be hetero’ down our throats and I wasn’t happy about that. Ladies man Jason isn’t an in character Jason.
For the interactions I’ve seen of him with Donna, it was admiration over flirting. But I haven’t read Countdown, so I only have TT to go off of. Maybe it’s different there. I don’t know. And I’ve never even seen him interacting with Diana at all.
Rena was pre-crisis, and so much of a throw away character that I bet most people don’t even know of her. As far as I know she’s the only thing remotely close to a love interest that any Jason (preboot) has ever had, barring Talia, and I’ve already said my opinion on that load of hogwash.
I’m not sure where the aggressive bit comes in. I never said anything about Jason being aggressive?
I don't think Jason views sex the same as Roy/Kori. I agree that for him comfort is more important than sex. Since they are (were?) more into no strings attached sex it might not seem as personal as them letting Jason into their lives. I think he's very aware of Kori (he mentions her ample chest once) just doesn't act like Roy. Partly due to respect, to avoid being hurt (he's very aware she's Dicks' ex) but Kori & him just do things differently. She's the only one he told his life story to.
It’s also partly to do with me thinking that Jason isn’t into women sexually. Honestly, if you read his preboot stuff I feel like there’s plenty of evidence to back that up. (The Talia stuff is forced to me, and always will be)
He loves Kory without a doubt, he likes being close to her, he might even like kissing her. But I just don’t see him wanting her sexually. Him seeing her as attractive would be more along the lines of objective rather than subjective. He knows she’s attractive but he’s not attracted to her in that way.
What he’s really attracted to is the closeness.
I guess you could kind of describe it as a sort of asexual relationship, with Roy bringing them together in sexual situations because they’re both sexually attracted to him, and he to them.
But I do feel like Kory WOULD find Jason sexually attractive, but she’d respect how he feels about it and would enjoy the closeness too.
I remember that interview someone asked if Jason was bisexual & Winick said he never thought about it. The only reason he wrote anything sexual with Jason (at least why he wrote Jason doing it) in the Talia scene was because Jason thought she was hot & she wanted to. Winick says there were things DC wouldn't let him do but wouldn't state what that was. Many believe it was making Jason a former child prositute like his talk with Mia suggests. That like Mia he's been around doing things to survive
The TaliaJason scenes will always feel forced to me. In Under the Hood, she randomly kisses him before pushing him off a cliff. In Lost Days, they sleep together while Jason is basically emotionally compromised. Beyond that, there’s nothing to show that Jason would find Talia hot, and in both instances Talia was the one to initiate it. That’s why it feels forced. Jason showed no interest, and then Talia was the one to start it.
Ugh I hate the whole child prostitute for Jason thing. HE DOESN’T NEED MORE ANGST FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. He was already poor, living in the worst neighborhood in the worst city in the US, his father was a criminal (preboot he just disappeared, reboot he was taken to prison and died), his (step)mother died of an overdose, he was homeless, he was adopted by a rich guy that wanted him to be someone else, he was tortured, he was murdered. HE DOESN’T NEED MORE.
I've seen the "Winick is the greatest Jason Todd writing let him do Outlaws" which I don't want. He had strong moments, he had some bad moments that tend to get ignored. But you what? He made Jason one note because pretty much everything revolved around his mission/Bruce. At least Lobdell had him moving on & explored his family life, friendships, what dating is like for him, etc. Hell seeing him relaxing on a beach was mind blowing because we expected to be in some bunker in Gotham 24/7.
Like I’ve said before, beyond the humor Winick wrote Jason with, and the heavy hints that Jason is something over than straight, I’m not a fan of Winick’s characterization. He did pretty good in Lost Days, I’ll admit. But of everything I’ve read so far in the preboot, Bruce Jones got the closest to who Jason really is. He made him complex, he made him more than just an antagonizer. He even wrote a personal, previously unknown fear of Jason’s. That nobody cares. That Dick doesn’t care.
Lobdell’s kind of a shitty person. But I can’t deny that he wrote Jason incredibly well. Though if there’s at least one criticism I have just about Lobdell’s version of Jason, it’s that he fell into the macho hetero comic book character trope. Lobdell had Jason hint at having a thing with Kory, hinted with Essence, and gave him the relationship with Isabel. It was a little TOO much for such a short time frame, particularly with a character previously had most signs pointed towards liking men.
Though I wouldn’t put it past DC to make it clear that Jason needs a female love interest. It could be a combination of the two, even.
Different Anon but I saw some Black Ring theories. One was that Jason was going to be one of the people that came back to life (Wonder Woman, Superman, etc.) then got those rings because it was all part of the plan. The second was a What If idea if Jason came back as Robin during that event and not knowing where he belonged. Think about it: Bruce was "dead", Dick was Batman with his own Robin & even Tim was starting to do his own thing. He'd be so confused & lost. Then he'd learn his mom died.
NO BLACK LANTERN ROBIN WHY OW
So this is kind of random, but I saw one of your posts about the batfam and their places in the Lantern Corps color spectrum and it gave me an idea for an AU where instead of dying in the explosion Jason's great show of willpower attracts a green ring to him and he escapes into space. I thought should share this with you because you inspired it~ (Or, alternatively, there was a really great fic somewhere that had Jason basically be 'the' Black Lantern, and I think of it wistfully sometimes.)
Oh man that must’ve been an old old post anon how did you even find it haha
NO BUT WHAT IF JASON GOT A BLACK RING DURING THAT TIME A WHOLE BUNCH OF DEAD PEOPLE GOT BLACK RINGS EVEN THOUGH HE’S BACK TO LIFE
And he’s like ‘What the fuck I’m not dead’
BUT THE RING REGISTERS HIM AS DEAD BECAUSE SOMETHING INSIDE OF HIM IS WRONG
AND JASON COMES TO THIS HORRIFIC REALIZATION THAT HE’S NOT ACTUALLY ALIVE HE’S JUST A ZOMBIE LIKE THING
And that’s why his eyes are still a little glazed over and they react poorly to light and he can function on less sleep than most people
He’s like a better version of Solomon Grundy or something
ANON WHAT DID YOU DO
Also: Jason getting a green ring instead of dying = <3 (other than the vast majority of GLs being adults so 15 yo Jason probs wouldn’t get it)
like me to leave?"Jay was posed to run out at Alans' word. The thoughtfulness was appreciated."No. I enjoy your company."The smile that spread over Jays' face was adorable."You do?"Hawkgirl said the boy hero worshipped him & while he couldn't understand it he wasn't bothered by it."Yes & I'm not the only one. Now let's see if the others want for lunch."By the time he reached the door Jay was back with a pad of paper."I got the orders. I guess no one want to come with us."That was fine by him.
always been a private person & never wanted to drag others into the spotlight. There had been some talk he never confirmed or denied so there was a chance Jay was aware. Then again he was a young man fresh from collage & that mind frame could make one immature on these matters."Oh, sorry for your loss man. Did it happen during our Superman fight?"Alan shook his head."No before we met, I received my powers shortly after."He touched the ring, the symbol of his love forever out of reach."Would you
it might be part of my body or maybe magical energy? If I put a phone in my pocket will it end somewhere else when I change?"Jay noticed how distant Alan seemed then. Like he was a million miles away."Sorry for babbling."Alan gave him a nod offering a small smile."Sorry. I was just thinking of the last time I gave serious thought to clothes. I was considering getting married. I lost my--"He trailed off suddenly unsure of how Jay would feel about his sexuality. He had never hidden it but he had